#69806: "Allow player to choose order of end-of-round effects"
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Detalizēts apraksts
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• Lūdzu nokopē/ielīmē kļūdas ziņu, ko redzi ekrānā, ja tāda ir.
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
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• Lūdzu paskaidro, ko Tu vēlējies darīt, ko Tu izdarīji un kas notika
• Kāda ir Tava pārlūkprogramma?
Mozilla v5
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• Lūdzu iekopē tekstu, kas redzams angļu, nevis tavā valodā. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here. Vai šis teksts ir pieejams tulkošanas sistēmā? Ja jā, vai tas ir ticis tulkots pēdējo 24 stundu laikā?
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
• Kāda ir Tava pārlūkprogramma?
Mozilla v5
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• Lūdzu, paskaidrojiet savu ieteikumu precīzi un kodolīgi, lai tas būtu pēc iespējas vieglāk saprotams.
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
• Kāda ir Tava pārlūkprogramma?
Mozilla v5
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• Kas tika attēlots ekrānā, kad Tu tiki bloķēts (tukšs ekrāns? Daļa no spēles interfeisa? Ziņa par kļūdu?)?
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
• Kāda ir Tava pārlūkprogramma?
Mozilla v5
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• Kura noteikumu daļa netika ņemta vērā BGA versijā?
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
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• Vai noteikumu pārkāpums ir redzams spēles atkārtojumā? Ja jā, tad kurā gājienā?
• Kāda ir Tava pārlūkprogramma?
Mozilla v5
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• Kādu spēles darbību Tu vēlējies veikt?
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
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• Ko tu dari, lai panāktu šo spēles darbību?
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• Kas notika, kad veicāt šo darbību (kļūdas paziņojums, spēles informācijas paziņojums,...)?
• Kāda ir Tava pārlūkprogramma?
Mozilla v5
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• Kurā spēles solī problēma parādījās (kas bija tā brīža spēles instrukcija)?
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
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• Kas notika, kad mēģinājāt veikt spēles darbību (kļūdas paziņojums, spēles informācijas paziņojums,...)?
• Kāda ir Tava pārlūkprogramma?
Mozilla v5
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• Lūdzu aprakstiet radušos problēmu. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
• Kāda ir Tava pārlūkprogramma?
Mozilla v5
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• Lūdzu iekopē tekstu, kas redzams angļu, nevis tavā valodā. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use a picture hosting service of your choice (snipboard.io for example) to upload it and copy/paste the link here. Vai šis teksts ir pieejams tulkošanas sistēmā? Ja jā, vai tas ir ticis tulkots pēdējo 24 stundu laikā?
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
• Kāda ir Tava pārlūkprogramma?
Mozilla v5
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• Lūdzu, paskaidrojiet savu ieteikumu precīzi un kodolīgi, lai tas būtu pēc iespējas vieglāk saprotams.
According to the rules of Seasons, a player should be able to choose the order of end-of-round effects.
• Kāda ir Tava pārlūkprogramma?
Mozilla v5
Ziņojuma vēsture
Still, you can never have a hard-coded order which will work for all cases, there will always be corner cases, for example:
- A player may want to have fewer crystals (so intentionally triggering Wondrous Chest at 3 energies, before Heart of Argos or after Fairy Monolith) to kill an opponent Titus.
- A player may want to activate Horn of Plenty without energies in their reserve (before using Beggar's Horn or Heart of Argos) to have more energies the next turn
- For the two random effects Dial of Colof and Carnivora Strombosea, the player may decide one based on the outcome of the other
So ideally the player should be able to choose explicitly in which order effects happen.
Unfortunately, a naive implementation would slow down the game (especially turn-based games) if automatic effects such as Wondrous Chest or Titus Deepgaze would no longer be automatic. So the game should still do these automatic effects without player interaction if the order doesn't matter (determining whether the order matters may be non-trivial)
- Dial of Colof
- Damned Soul of Onys
- Ethiel's Fountain
- Carnivora Strombosea
- Beggar's Horn
- Heart of Argos
- Titus Deepgaze
- Wondrous Chest
- Mesodae’s Lantern
- Io's transmuter
- Fairy Monolith
- Chalice of eternity
- Horn of Plenty
but where we will restart the list whenever an effect actually triggers. So the fact that Horn of Plenty is last in thi list doesn't mean that no further effects are possible: whenever Horn of Plenty triggers, then we'll recheck the list from the beginning.
The general principle remains that the player retains the choice between performing these actions manually or performing them automatically. Seasons is a notable exception because it seems to me that this is one of the first games implemented on BGA, if not the first. In my opinion, there is no longer any reason to retain this exception, as soon as a developer recognizes the need for necessary changes.
It should already be noted that automatism is of much less interest now that the end-round effects are solved by player in the order of the turn and no longer card by card as before. In addition, some end-of-turn effects require player intervention anyway, for example to choose an effect, or the type of energy received.
However, when there is only one end-of-turn effect, and no choice is required, the player’s intervention is not useful.
Fiercely in favour of strict application of the rules, I would add that it would be useful, in case of manual selection of cards with end-of-turn effects, to be able to differentiate the achievable effects from the inoperative effects by a color code. This in order to be able to choose more easily to activate inoperative effects (but which could become achievable during the end-of-turn of the player) because deemed undesirable at this time of the game.
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